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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:58 pm 
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Wow, Spearhead looks so much better in sculpt.

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The part I like best is that you can see where Bill worked in layers I've seen both Gary's Ferret Sculpt, and the Light Foot sculpt in person... It's an excellent reminder that you don't have to get everything perfect on the 1st try when Sculpting.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:45 pm 
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So what would Outback's web gear originally been sculpted out of? The pouches look like clay/wax but the straps look like maybe styrene.

Edit: And do you think his legs and crotch being sculpted without the t-bar in place is why his crotch is so fragile?

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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:51 pm 
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Here is a crash course in generalized Pantographing courtesy of Dave Bilyeu, former Hasbro sculptor and likeness of Ambush.

"... it's used mainly to cut molds from a large urethane model to size_"with an Electrode" by ... pantographing off the model. The theory is it would hold detail better if they took their time in China.. This is called EDM... Also for a short while, till it was discontinued, because of health regulations_ we did barillium copper, where the model was reduced by pantograph, then coated with medal like electroplating' similar to a chroming process, then the barillium part was used to directly cut final detail into the mold, again as an electrode. The bulk of of the steel was Hogged out first in both processes. .. does that make sense?

There was also insert molding, which is common now... there should be pictures and info on the web at this point, if you Goggle EDM molding, pvc production molding... or manufacturing insert molds' or high run production molds..."

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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:25 am 
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Edit: And do you think his legs and crotch being sculpted without the t-bar in place is why his crotch is so fragile?

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There shouldn't have been an issue with sculpting without the t-bar because of the Buck... You can see that there's not over much added to the upper legs and the tops of the Buck show through...

It looks like there wasn't a whole lot added to the Sculpt's Crotch so that may be part of the problem... the Design just calls for a thin part right there.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:43 pm 
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pluv wrote:
So what would Outback's web gear originally been sculpted out of? The pouches look like clay/wax but the straps look like maybe styrene.

Edit: And do you think his legs and crotch being sculpted without the t-bar in place is why his crotch is so fragile?

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Bill said when you see the different colours on his sculpts
it was done for just that.... color separation. So that pouches and details would stand out against the scupture. Says he was basically entertaining himself. He achieved the colours by combining various epoxies and putties. It is how you can tell a Merklein sculpt from a non.
Most other sculpts are usually in one colour or wax.

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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:28 am 
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Yeah, Spearhead looks better in those colors.

Gyre... is there a picture of the first GI Joe prototype?


Watching your prototype pics is very nostalgic.

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Rambo wrote:
Yeah, Spearhead looks better in those colors.

Gyre... is there a picture of the first GI Joe prototype?


Watching your prototype pics is very nostalgic.



There are pics of it from Greg Berndston's JoeCon panel from a few years ago but I can never find the image via google. There will be new pics up of it up soon hopefully though.

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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Thank you Gyre.
BTW... do you remember what figure was used to make the prototype?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:19 pm 
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Rambo wrote:
Thank you Gyre.
BTW... do you remember what figure was used to make the prototype?



Tiger Man (Buck Rogers/Mego).

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Slaughter's Renegades.

Pictured below: Polaroid of Falcon 2up sculpture (pattern), Sculpt Feedback on Falcon 2up, Slaughter's Renegades memo, Taurus sculpt sheet copy (all courtesy of Chris "TOPSON" Murray). Also: Polaroid of Mercer 2up sculpture (pattern) and Mamba Pilot art copy (courtesy of Bill Merklein).

So the theory is that the Mamba Pilot helmet was originally sculpted for Mercer as a Viper helmet as well as for Gyro-Viper (dual purpose). And that is why the Mamba Pilot helmet is pictured with Mercer in the photo. I'm still waiting for Bill to see if he still has the inputs for either character's accessories. It wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen. Hopefully, someone else out there has inputs for either character and will share.

It should be noted that the Rise of Cobra Firefly PILOT figure's helmet is based on the original concept art helmet for the Mamba Pilot. This was confirmed on facebook by John Warden.


Next week I think we'll take a look at some NON-GI JOE 2ups (along with some other GI JOE 2ups).
Just to sort of embrace the 2up process as a whole.

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What's with Falcon's arms in that first pic?

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Lance Sputnik wrote:
What's with Falcon's arms in that first pic?



Falcon was done by a freelance sculptor. I'm assuming his process was different. While there are rules to making 2ups, there were "options" to do things your own way. If something had to be redone, they just re-did it or asked the sculptor to redo it. If his way somehow worked, it worked. Dunno. This sculptor told me he didn't really recall any details in regards to the many, many 2ups he sculpted. He remembered characters but said he didn't have any specific memories in regards to the sculpts.


Here is an except from the 2up sculpting "bible" in regards to arms (courtesy of Bill Merklein). It is dated 1983. As far as I know they never rewrote the guide in later years.

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 Post subject: Re: G.I. Joe 2ups: Anatomy, Function, Process, and Accumulat
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:50 am 
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Lance Sputnik wrote:
What's with Falcon's arms in that first pic?


I'd have to look at a falcon figure, but it may be a case where the detail on his arm is the same front and back. It's been seen a lot with figures only getting one foot sculpted, and would make sense if the did it with arms too

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:24 am 
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Here is an except from the 2up sculpting "bible" in regards to arms (courtesy of Bill Merklein). It is dated 1983. As far as I know they never rewrote the guide in later years.

"It looks like a mechanical arm with a ball on the top." Reminds me of a lot of the early 25th figures.

And I wonder if that RoC Firefly helmet would fit on an ARAH GyroViper? The cutout visor explains his unusual face covering.


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